Shrike infiltrating another IC redux

Fhadhq · **Posted:** Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:18 am

Kayvaan Shrike wrote:

p. 48 n the squad and the other IC at the same time.
Now both ICs may join the same unit (and any number of other ICs as well), but if this happens, then the asterisk (*) for 'infiltrate' kicks in and the whole unit loses the ability to infiltrat
But does that mean they are "in the squad"? It doesn't say. But he would have to already be joined to the squad for that to happen, right?

Well, that can't happen - because all ICs join their respective squads at the same time: during deployment, so it is impossible for the other IC to be "in the squad" at the time Shrike joins it and bestows his ability.

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I would like you consider this also, from p47, "Moving Independant Characters": "All ICs have the 'move through cover' and 'skilled rider' special rules."

Yes, Shrikes version of infiltrate has one unique quality (but otherwise follows all of the standard rules associated with infiltrate) - that quality is that he can bestow that ability to "models in his squad". What does that mean? Again, we look at the rules associated with ICs - they may join another unit and if there is more than one unit present, then the player must decide which unit Thema is the best he can do) ready to deploy. Shrike must decide which unit he joins (and confers his ability to) at this time. If the Chaplain joins at the same time, then (because of the "*") the whole unit cannot infiltrate.

Does that make it clear?

NO

That snips out passages and glues them together differently.

You may ignore the part of the Brb that disagrees with you'
it won't help r your claims as does the wrong accussations
against me.

Kayvaan Shrike · **Posted:** Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:31 am

Fhadhq wrote:

NO

That snips out passages and glues them together differently.

The only 'snips' I am using are the ones pertaining to the discussion (i.e. characters joining squads, infiltrate and Shrike's rules).

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You may ignore the part of the Brb that disagrees with you

What part of the BRB disagrees with me that actually pertains to infiltrate?

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it won't help r your claims as does the wrong accussations
against me.

You still insist on personal attacks?

White Raven Earthen · **Posted:** Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:40 am

this thread needs to be locked.

GW has done a terrible job with the wording for the rule. Settle it at your local game shop - roll a die or call GW for your garage games.

Its not that good of a strat anyway.

Wicky · **Posted:** Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:04 am

I agree, lock it up and throw away the key.

It seems to me that all this revolves around who really is Shrikes Squad.

But it’s a stretch (in my eyes) to see it as Shrike attaching to the squad and then the squad attaching to the Chaplain for a chain of transference.

The rules for this are indeed poorly written and since I don’t play Marines in any way, shape or form I am not going to lose any more sleep over this.

Fhadhq · **Posted:** Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:06 am

[quote="Kayvaan Shrike"][quote="Fhadhq"]
insults?attacks?

Will be locked

White Raven CleanRabbit · **Posted:** Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:38 am

before it does get locked, I want to congratulate you guys on making it through 5 pages and 64 replies before getting to the point where it becomes personal insults/whatever instead of mutually discussing the topic like the civilized adults that you all are! The first thread of this name didn’t last nearly as long!

(oh, and I kept out of it because the accusations were thrown at me last time! Congratz!)

CR

Stryker · **Posted:** Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:49 am

THREAD LOCKED - 15/04/09

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