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I did a manual search but didn't see a similar topic, but I was just confused by something:



But he already has a power weapon and a bolt pistol. What benefit is there in having a combat blade as well?

The Honour Guard are covered in some detail in the Tactica : Chapter Master and Honour Guard over in the war room - it should be stickied.

This particular question however is not addressed in there.

This little question is somewhat linked to the Tactical Squad entry, where all models have a boltgun and bolt pistol as standard.
You see, the champ cannot gain the +1 attack bonus while he has a boltgun. Remove the bolt gun from his profile, he gets the bonus, and that is what the combat blade is for =)

HTH

CR

Can he not? I always assumed he could just put it away and pull out his pistol/power weapon and carve up some bodies.

Only problem with that idea is, where does he put it when he 'puts it away' ? he doesnt exactly carry a rucksack with him, lol

Oh yeah... Bah, I've been playing too much Elder Scrolls!
(Anyone familiar with the concept of carrying around a Legion uniform in your pocket for the rare occasions you meet civilisation?)

Oh well, that's how we've been playing it, but your interpretation does make sense of the combat blade option. Oh, and I found the honour guard tactica most emlightening, but one thing that wasn't mentioned: how do you feel on the use of drop pods to get them where you want them to be? Is it too risky given that they can't assault as they arrive, or is the cover and reduced chance of having their transoprt detonated worth it?

mmmm, thought I mentioned pods in there. Nevermind, i'll check it later.

Pods generally are far far too risky for delivering a CC-based unit, especially one as expensive as this.

You can spend a fortune on master/chaplain/10honour guard and pod, only for them to meet Mr Vindicator on the turn they land.

If you deploy them into a position that gives them great cover or breaks LoS for most of the enemy models, then its got potential.

CR

Never mind, I found it. Ctrl-F saves the day!

Haha, I thought I mentioned it at least. Yea, some of those Tactica are bloody massive (give my latest one a read if you dare ), so I don't blame you for missing all two lines of 'HG via Drop Pod' =)

CR

Yeah, I had a look at the latest one, clicked the expand button...

I tell you, that scared me more than the Silmarillion! Kudos for the evident effort, though. Might read it in little chunks.

what?

Doesnt matter how many weapons a model has.
So if you go full crazy and buy those twin lc plus 2 basic weapons plus a stormshield for a marine ( possible in the dex ),
then youre still NOT using all 4 in a HtH . Same with calgar.

The combat blade is related to the special weapons. Their rules add / deny boni for combos.

Having a combat blade and a boltpistol and a power weapon wont change anything to having a boltpistol and a power weapon and a boltgun.

Once again Fhadhq, you fail to understand what I'm saying when others do...

Allow me to break down what I was saying into small, easier to understand parts....


1 Honour Guard veteran = 2 attacks
He has a power weapon, bolt pistol and boltgun. Because he has a BOLTGUN in his profile, he cannot gain the +1 bonus attack for having TWO close-combat weapons. So a Honour Guard veteran with a Power Weapon, Bolt Pistol and Boltgun (BASIC PROFILE!) has 3 attacks on the charge, not 4!

The wargear option to change his BOLTGUN for a combat blade means he can now get the +1 attack bonus for having two close combat weapons, so he will have 4 attacks on the charge ONLY when he exchanges the boltgun!

The argument here is, does a model with two CC weapons AND a boltgun gain +1 bonus attack for having two CC weapons? Answer is NO.


I understand there are problems in translation Fhadhq, but you really do seem to go out of your way to question my knowledge of the rules sometimes.

CR

I think i have to question your interpretation of this case, not general rules knowledge.
-are you really using any weapon you wield in CC?
-Example: CSM have=> boltpistol, ccw , boltgun. do they get +1 for 2 ccw ? No?

CSM (chaos space marines) have true grit so I believe (I don't have the codex with me so I cannot be certain)

On the off change I'm wrong, let us put it to the community.

Loyal Space Marine armed with a Bolt Pistol, CCW and Boltgun, do you get +1 bonus attack?

Well, I've already mentioned that we play it that he can just drop his bolter while he's in combat and then pick it up later, so that's where I stand on this. Maybe it should be made a new thread, so a poll can be added?

a chaos space marine gets a bonus attack for having a bolter, a bolt pistol and a cc weapon. from the rules stand of view every model in 40k has as many arms as the specific codex allows him to take weapons.

i dont have a space marine cdex at hand at the moment to chack that Hg part of it, but normally the space marines start with bolter (or CC weapon) and bolt pistol and are allowed to exchange this two weapons against other weapons. i dont have a clue why the chapter champion may get a combat blade when he is armed with a bolt pistol and a power weapon already.

~hagg